Paint did transform the Midway Mania building...I hope it does the same to these units.
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09-28-2009 04:05 PM #1131
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09-28-2009 08:23 PM #1132
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so why is the vewing area got delayed for?
09-28-2009 11:59 PM #1133
I agree with SparklyLD that the towers as-built match the nearby rooftops much better than the extremely ornate designs planned. I think that, were the lattice sections painted a contrasting color, they'd look better.
Bottom line: For one reason or another, these are where the projectors and Sychros have to be. Now, projectors do have to be submerged out on the platform, but if they're able to cut some costs by NOT submerging these, that may be a significant chunk that can be put back into other things. Personally, I think the towers do a fair job of matching roofs nearby, and I love the unique way of moving the roofs off. Very imaginative idea, having them fold back rather than simply rise up (the latter requiring a significant amount of force). Done this way, they're completely out of the way for the Synchrolites. And watch the Pocahontas segment in either of the presentations for a brief description of one spot where the powerful beams will be used. I doubt most viewers will notice the hinges on the front corners; even those who notice the vertical slots on the back where the roofs' supports slide when they fold back will figure out that this means the tops come off. Yes, they'll look a bit incongruous out there, and visitors might understand that they must have something to do with the show, but beyond that...? Whereas the tower covers along the viewing area, while VERY well-themed, are obviously still pairs of doors. Their function is clear: they're doors. Doors open up. Also, the spots where submerged projectors' lifts will likely be are now visible, roped off by squares of wooden fencing.
Anyone speculating yet on the mist screens? I'll give that discussion a little push, if I may:
On the end of each of the pipes is a downward-curved silver pipe. At first, I surmised that another such pipe would be connected, curving down and forward toward the platform, and this entire S-shaped assembly would swivel 180 degrees upward to bring the nozzle above water level... but I'm not seeing second 90-degree bent pipes. I DO see, in the back, a large, C-curved black pipe sitting on the floor behind the platform. Is this solid, or is it flexible pipe? Usually, flexible hose would not work, partly due to the pressure involved and partly because the water coming to the mist nozzle needs to be relatively free of turbulence. So far, all I can do is speculate, but I'd love to see others examine the available photos and do the same.
Another thing about which to speculate...
There's scaffolding in place around the towers so that equipment can be walked out easily for installation. Notice where else this scaffolding runs: right out over the pit at the rear center of the platform! Also note that there's a frame for a portable hoist sitting very close by. Let the speculation (Chernabog?) begin! Anyone know where that section of telescoping pipe went?
Note that there's supposed to be a row of fan nozzles along the back. Not only are these seemingly not there yet, but there's a lot of blank space along the back of the platform.
Last... Is it just me, or do the Water Whips (under the brown cloth covers) seem to be being placed completely randomly? I see no order at all, whereas the Grids are on, well, a grid, the Blow Pops are in a circle, and the Chasers form arcs and rings.
P.S. I'll be in LA in a few weeks, and will be visiting WET (as well as going to see the new shows, Fanfare At San Pedro and Americana at Brand's show) and will ask about WoC.
09-29-2009 12:24 AM #1134
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09-29-2009 04:49 AM #1135
Is there anyone else who posts lots of detailed photos of the lagoon, besides Darkbeer and MintCrocodile, whose stuff I can poke through while waiting for updates from the others?
For example, the six towers just went in. There are loads of great photos of them. And yet, there are few of the new additions to the mist screen pipes, the pit (and what may or may not be going in) and/or the Water Whips being installed, though usually covered with brown cloth.
09-29-2009 07:06 AM #1136
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Overall, I do agree with your point about this show and park being completely designed by Disney and therefore they should be able to avoid what looks like a pretty major design flaw. I find it very hard to believe that a row of chunky "roofs" sticking out of the lagoon is the best WDI and the show designers could come up with... and if it was, perhaps a significant re-think of the project was in order.
09-29-2009 10:32 AM #1137
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09-29-2009 12:24 PM #1138
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09-30-2009 05:43 AM #1139
Thanks a LOT, Nemofinder! Talk about detail. I saw loads of informative and educational things in those! I hate to use the horrible portmanteau "edu-tainment", but that's what these are for me. Okay, so...
Where has the telescoping pipe, once temporarily installed in the pit, gone? My best guess, based on absolutely no evidence, is that this pipe is for Chernabog. Unless it also gets used for a segment featuring Zurg - does anyone know anything I may have missed about the not-described bit following Buzz taking flight?
The flexible hoses (thanks, ChrisF!) DO seem to be the supply lines for the mist screens. Atop the platform are mounted elbows, which will be plumbed from below by the hoses, and connected to the S-curved nozzle pipe units which are sitting about on their own welded bases, to which will be attached the nozzles themselves. I wondered why the inlet pipes slope upwards before having 90-degree downward elbows; now I know. They have to be at a mid level so that the flexible hose won't stretch at either the down or up positions. And the 90-degree downbend keeps the hose hung in a gentle U, so neither end will take tension (as it would if coming out horizontally before bending down by weight). Once on-board the platform, the 90-bent pipe which will hold the mist nozzle support pipe has two butterfly valves: one to open the path to the screen, the other to vent the pressure out the side and down through the grating. They'll have to be careful if all three screen are on and they suddenly drop two of them: its height will drop as the water finds two much easier paths out of the common system; mist screens rely on pressure. Sentosa Island found out, with their imitation Waltzing Waters, how bad this can look - all their effects were driven off a single pump, with pneumatic valves. As well as the valves' whooshing in operation, the more effects they turned on, the lower the collective height dropped.
Looks like Group F did the BraveSEAmo! show's fire, so that gives us a clue as to what's in those boxes. Their system, as described on their website, sounds awesome.
The Water Whips are shown uncovered, and they are most definitely NOT WET's work, of that I'm certain. The joint is a spherical bearing snapped into a flange. Two motors or drives set at right angles are attached to the jet with two different sorts of sliding/moving joints. Two water hoses (not sure why two) go from the base to the jet. There's a hexagonal flange, probably for mounting the lights. They look very cool. Question is, as to the fire movers/fire whips - notice the name changes on the list between the two presentations Davidson has done - will they be separate units, or will they piggyback on these? The latter might be easier. And depending on whether the fuel is water-soluble, both could theoretically be used together. WET has a spectacular fire/aerated water nozzle (if anyone really wants, I'll dig up a YouTube vid with shots of someone playing with one) that's currently best seen at the show at Viejas Casino, San Diego.
Absolutely zero clue on the three pedestals up front. Anyone? Nothing in these positions is shown on plans. Only thing I can think of is supports for a temporary bridge for servicing larger parts.
The tower poles have rings for mounting speakers, or SOME of them do - some have T-bars with flat tops. I now doubt there will be heavy equipment here (no projectors) but lighting of some sort is possible, considering the plans that have been shown have notations beside some, but not all, of these towers, just like the notations alongside the six projector locations at the back. Anyone know what the tower tops in the two small bays immediately flanking the stage look like?
Notable that the outer two assemblies for the mist screens consist of a downward, flanged connector for one end of the hose, a 90-degree bent pipe on the platform (with valve) for the other end, and a side exhaust for pressure relief (with valve), not including the S-bent nozzle support pipe with base, BUT... The CENTER one has, instead, a T-connector with flanges on both ends in addition to the valved downward-aimed input and two un-valved outputs on a side arm. Could this, possibly, be to also supply that expandable riser pipe? That's my guess, but I'd think it would be easier, if so, to plumb the vertical riser from floor level... unless they want to keep the valves at platform height for maintenance? Wouldn't do to have that one valve waaaay down underwater.
I think the in-deck cut-outs are for projectors. Not sure about the rectangular opening(s) with lift(s). Or maybe these ARE for the water bubble nozzles - I have no idea how these are being done, but I'd assumed a ring of fan nozzles aimed up and inward. I can't think of any other way. A bubble, like a common waterbell nozzle, would require a telescoping riser which would get in the way of interior projection.
Anyone know what's in the wrapped, donut-shaped bundles? Wiring, cables?
Incidentally, I like the fact that, as I now see it, the mechanics for the mini-towers hide when not in use. When in the open (tilted) position, it's clear that sections of the latticed surface, which fit into the slots in the rear panel, are attached to the rear pair of supports, as is the beaded horizontal band from the top. They really did a nifty job working that in. Like the towers or not, got to give them that - the mechanics are nicely covered up. I also like the fact that they don't have lights on their edges, unlike all the land-based roofs and cupolas. So when night falls, until showtime they kind of fade into the background.
09-30-2009 07:22 AM #1140
And I see the square cut-out is directly in front of the pit where the telescoping stem will stand. Guess: The pipe will only be half of the Chernabog. The other half will be a projector or fixture, aimed up and back at it, from this opening.
I see now that the half-ring-topped towers have: a yoke for a speaker, facing the audience, with a conduit leading down, then curving forward, and... the semi-circular ring on the side facing the show, which might be for mounting lights.
I also see a better shot of the complex central mist screen-related pipe. It has a T on one end, flanges on both ends of this pipe, with a valved branch leading off to: a pressure relief outlet, with valve; another straight, flanged outlet, with valve; and a third flanged outlet, without a valve (I think?)
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