DCA's 5 year plan?

[daMOUSE]

Now, make an argument as to why a reality theme of things people could eaisly see and do if they cared enough to bother, is better than all the other possible themes.

Why go to New Orelans Square at Disneyland when you can have a trip to the "real" New Orleans, Lousiana? Why picture the Cinderealla castle when there's a historical monument called, Heart Castle, just hours away from Disneyland? Why shop at Main Street U.S.A. when you can shop at a shopping mall???

.... the reason why is because DCA and Dinseyland offers an experience of having a fun athmosphere where you can live a day of family fun. I don't think Condor flats is generic; it thnik its a cool part of DCA where you can imagine yourself as a pilot, flying through California; As a Californian, I've never been to a Broadway play before, the "Aladin" musical is a great and fun musical to watch for the whole family.

[DL Adventurer]

"RIGHT NOW this park isn't doing very well. Without a complete makeover from mundane reality to exotic fantasy, this park will never do well."

Look, I don't know why everyone is saying that DCA is not doing well. I really just don't get it. It recieved 5 million visitors in past years, and the attendance numbers continue to increase. California Adventure is (I think) in the top twenty list for the most-attendance for a theme park. Five million visitors a year! Legoland and Six Flags Magic Mountain only get about three million, and I believe Sea World California gets a little more than them. Sure, Disneyland gets 12 million a year, which is more than twice as much as California Adventure, but Disneyland has been open for longer, more people know about it, and its a better park, and therefore it gets more visitors. You multiply five million times 49.75(ticket price), plus the money that the shops and restaurants inside the park make, and you have tons of money!

Sure, California Adventure maybe struggling, but it is nowhere near unsuccessful. It may not have as high of attendance as expected, but it is still doing okay.

"What? Limiting the budget to $75 million a year and extending the reimagineering project over 10+ years?"

Okay, I guess that is resonable, but I doubt you could improve the park dramatically with just $75 million a year.

"I understand the themes and I can see the difference between DCA and Six Flags."

Okay. Good.

"With is the root cause of DCA's problems. It recreates things people could easily do and easily see, if they cared enough to bother. People don't do these things in real life very often, so what made Disney think they'd flock to an amusement park to pay $50 to do things they don't do for much less?

This park needs to show people things they can't see anywhere else, and let them do things they can't do anywhere else. That is why DL is SOOOO far above other parks. That is why people travel from all over to go."

California Adventure is not suppose to substitute site-seeing the actual California landmarks, it's suppose to celebrate California, and it's past, present, and future by giving people rides and attractions to experience. I do agree, though, that it doesn't have the same escapism as Disneyland. BUT, STILL have fun, and STILL enjoy it.

"But unfortunatly, the thought of how much better the park could be if it weren't do dang generic, creep in."

I really don't see how you think it is generic. Do you know what theme is? Well, it is something that California Adventure does have. It may not be the world's best theme, but it is a reasonably okay one. You can't ignore that there is a theme to it.

"Bugsland for some real rides."

The rides currently there don't "bug" me at all.

"Empty bay."

Yeah, I wish some boats were in it, at least. (Or audio audio animatronic Humpbacks -- that would be really cool.)


"food court wharf."

The wharf has such good theming, some of the best theming in the park. I hate to see that great theming being used as some crappy food court.

"Uninspiring, shopping mall entrance plaza."

Yeah, it is kind of uninspiring. But, you know, the entrance to most theme parks are just "there" and "uninspiring" (Disneyland's entrance is good, though).

Other than the little things that you mentioned above, I think that the rest of DCA is a good park, and I feel that it is well-done. It can't compare with Disneyland, Magic Kingdom, Epcot, or Animal Kingdom, though. But, still, it is a work in progress, and hopefully it will become even better than it is now. For now, though, I am totally fine with it, except for little things here and there.

Paradise Pier is full of details, and has great theming. Grizzly Peak is a beautiful landmark, and it holds one of the world's best raft rides. I like the theming in the Hollywood Backlot. The Hyperion Theater always has good shows, the animation building is well-done, and Tower of Terror continues to impress everyone. And, in Condor Flats, there is Soarin over California, arguably the best motion simulator around.

Okay, I am going to stop arguing about this. We will have to agree to disagree. You keep your opinion, I'll keep mine. And then, I'll shut up and stop typing. :wink:

[Maxdad]

The money didn't go too far. There were no new buildings constructed. It was mainly a paint job.

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Holy cow, that is one pricey paint job! I'm betting there was quite a bit more involved....

[woody]

Please, no one watches Baywatch anymore.

We now know, you know what 'they' think...

Baywatch is more relevant than Boardwalks. People from around the world think about Baywatch when they visit California beaches.

Yes, Baywatch is what "they" think about regarding California.

[WorldEpcot]

RIGHT NOW this park isn't doing very well. Without a complete makeover from mundane reality to exotic fantasy, this park will never do well.

The park isn't doing very well, it's doing okay. Not Great! but better then before. Failure by not changing the theme is really kind of dumb. But, it is an opinion, and no opinion is dumb.

Yes, Baywatch is what "they" think about regarding California.

Right...just keep thinking that...

[rcman2001]

People want to have a chinatown section because San Fransisco has one of the biggest chinatowns or somethin, it is easy to make a really good section out of, and theres tons of chinese people in california. Sorry if thats an innapropriate statement.

And Woody, how would you know what people from around the world imagine when they think of california? You live in Orange County. People from around the world think of the golden gate bridge, hollywood, boardwalks, surfing, and crap like disneyland. < Not that its crap.

Back in the day, Disney didnt even want to build POTC in florida because its too close to the carribean and they thought people wouldnt like it. People stil do, but thats not the point. The point is that disney wants to create imersive experiences and let people visit faraway places like foreign countrys (EPCOT), jungles, frontier towns, and space ports. If walt was around now, dca wouldnt be because its not an escape for residents to see stuff they see all the time. But now that we have it here, we have to make the best of it and celebrate the past more than the present.

Thats why I think the park needs to focus on famous citys, and fishing towns as well as california history, mining, and the people who settled the land. Thats why I think the western mining expedition ride would be great because people dont see that stuff every day and it ties in tromendously with california. I still feel strongly about them adding a train ride called the union pacific railway because in U.S. history, imigrants would come to the coast, or come over from china to build these huge railroads for miners and stuff, and union pacific was one of the two companys who built the first transcontinental railroad. It could be like the train ride at Tokyo Disneyland that has scenes you ride by and only travels around westernland. It would also be a good addition because we are one of the only disney parks lacking in in-park transportation.

Now that I'm through talking about all of that, I would like to add that a disney style dark ride in a bugs land would be great, and it would be excelent if it had no track like pooh at tdl (not gonna happen though). I would also like to add that I dont care anymore about a monsters inc. ride and actually want one, and that I am all for a ride based loosely on alcatraz, earthquakes, or a motion ride based on el ninio and the ocean. The ride could be the same ride type as stormrider at tds.

[bbmm]

A bug's land does need something new but monsters inc. would do good some might think it has nothing to do with ca but neither does a bugs land. But if the Incredibles does good at the box office i think that should happen instead of monsters inc. because incredible would be new and "in"

[woody]

People want to have a chinatown section because San Fransisco has one of the biggest chinatowns or somethin, it is easy to make a really good section out of, and theres tons of chinese people in california. Sorry if thats an innapropriate statement.

It's not inappropriate to say it. It is inappropriate to have a lame section (Chinatown) of the park that virtually free outside the park. Why pay admission prices for something you already get? Unless of course, you manage to live in a really remote location.

And Woody, how would you know what people from around the world imagine when they think of california? You live in Orange County. People from around the world think of the golden gate bridge, hollywood, boardwalks, surfing, and crap like disneyland. < Not that its crap.

We don't have a world famous boardwalk like what they have in Atlantic City or New York. We might have at one time in Long Beach, which didn't last long. California's history doesn't include much about boardwalks. In fact, it's rather a footnote in California's history. It is crap to elevate it to an entire land in DCA. That's the point.

Back in the day, Disney didnt even want to build POTC in florida because its too close to the carribean and they thought people wouldnt like it. People stil do, but thats not the point. The point is that disney wants to create imersive experiences and let people visit faraway places like foreign countrys (EPCOT), jungles, frontier towns, and space ports. If walt was around now, dca wouldnt be because its not an escape for residents to see stuff they see all the time. But now that we have it here, we have to make the best of it and celebrate the past more than the present.

Obviously DCA isn't what Walt would want.

Thats why I think the park needs to focus on famous citys, and fishing towns as well as california history, mining, and the people who settled the land. Thats why I think the western mining expedition ride would be great because people dont see that stuff every day and it ties in tromendously with california. I still feel strongly about them adding a train ride called the union pacific railway because in U.S. history, imigrants would come to the coast, or come over from china to build these huge railroads for miners and stuff, and union pacific was one of the two companys who built the first transcontinental railroad. It could be like the train ride at Tokyo Disneyland that has scenes you ride by and only travels around westernland. It would also be a good addition because we are one of the only disney parks lacking in in-park transportation.

Boring. More history junk. DCA is history done boring and dull. It truly is a dull park. Besides, the immigrant history story might have a bad taste in some people's mouths.

I don't care about a railroad story. DCA lacks a railroad. Why add it now?

[Nemo88]

all you do is knock other peoples ideas down Woody,do you have any better realistic ideas for DCA?

[WorldEpcot]

I don't care about a railroad story. DCA lacks a railroad. Why add it now?

Because WrongWay didn't want one.

Besides, the immigrant history story might have a bad taste in some people's mouths.

Now THAT is something I agree with.