The Presidential Race 08

[Maxdad]

OH, come on. No one is corrupt here. Quit the smear tactics. Your article quoted comes from politically motivated, second hand sources.

Just debate the issues.

[Maxdad]

Here is a pretty even handed analysis of the candidates on issues:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080915/...SG5vKT1lhh24cA

[Darkbeer]

Looks like Obama the "Reformer" is just a title, as what Senator Obama says is not what Senator Obama does, and is playing politics as usual....

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008...wal_129150.htm

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.

Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet.

Much more at the link, and don't forget to read the second page.

[Sir_Cliff]

Maybe we should all call a truce about posting long newspaper articles attacking one side or the other unless something truely new emerges? Just a suggestion, but otherwise we'll probably end up with a long thread full of article quotes that no-one reads.

[Mortimer]

I'm all for more debate from the O.P.'s and less article and website linking. Bring us your opinions folks, makes it more interesting here. Feel free to debate based on an article, but let's hear what you think as well.

[club33az]

Maybe we should all call a truce about posting long newspaper articles attacking one side or the other unless something truely new emerges? Just a suggestion, but otherwise we'll probably end up with a long thread full of article quotes that no-one reads.

I'm all for more debate from the O.P.'s and less article and website linking. Bring us your opinions folks, makes it more interesting here. Feel free to debate based on an article, but let's hear what you think as well.

AMEN, to both quotes!

[Mickeyman187]

Why? It's information that you most likely wouldn't be getting. Where do you guys get your knowledge about the candidates?

[Chavez Ravine]

Maybe we should all call a truce about posting long newspaper articles attacking one side or the other unless something truely new emerges? Just a suggestion, but otherwise we'll probably end up with a long thread full of article quotes that no-one reads.

I'm all for using links as footnotes and quickly summerizing something that is important to you.

[Darkbeer]

Here is an interesting piece of news from CNN, The Obama Campaign officially pushing "faith merchandise"...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...h-merchandise/

The Obama campaign is preparing rolling out a new line of “faith merchandise” – the latest move in an ambitious effort to win over religious voters.

“Check out the Believers for Barack, Pro-Family Pro-Obama, and Catholics for Obama buttons, bumper stickers and signs….” says Obama Deputy Director of Religious Affairs Paul Monteiro in an e-mail obtained by the Beliefnet Web site.

“Believers for Barack rally signs and bumper stickers, along with all Pro-Family Pro-Obama merchandise, are appropriate for people of all faith backgrounds. We'll soon be rolling out merchandise for other religious groups and denominations, but I wanted to get this out to you without delay,” he adds.

First, it is nice to see that all 4 major candidates have Christian beliefs, as it seems a lot of folks from the left have been so anti-religious lately. Everyone has beliefs, some are different than others, but you do not need to hate those who do not have the same beliefs that you do!!!

And it is interesting that this merchandise is coming from the official Campaign staff.

[Mortimer]

Why? It's information that you most likely wouldn't be getting. Where do you guys get your knowledge about the candidates?

I'm just saying go ahead and link. Just don't post links without some commentary from you! Otherwise it's boring information we can search anywhere for.. I think we all know how to search the internet.