Put down the cell phone and stomp on the accelerator. We'll all be much, much safer!
65 isn't slow? If the flow of traffic is 80, then going 65 is too slow. It is FAR more likely to casue an accident than just speeding up to match the flow of traffic.
The problems arise when there are cars going a speed significantly different from the flow of traffic. You can't catch those people with a speed camera. You need a cop on the beat to do that.
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04-09-2009 08:58 AM #171
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04-09-2009 09:15 AM #172If the flow of traffic is 80, then going 65 is too slow.
Jeesh, how many Mouse Infoers live at a Holiday Inn Express? Because we sure have a lot of traffic experts on this board.
Me, I'll trust the people with engineering degrees whose profession it is to tell me what's safe- since it's not as easy as gleaming at the Audubon's Wikipedia page and determining accident rates.
04-09-2009 09:22 AM #173
As insulting as that last post was, even the people with engineering degrees will tell you that going against the flow is how accidents are caused.
If 1,001 lemmings jump off a bridge....
04-09-2009 09:27 AM #174Next time you're driving, drive on the left side of the road. I mean, you don't want to be like all the other lemmings out there, do you?
with engineering degrees will tell you that going against the flow is how accidents are caused
Hmm....maybe a speed camera could actually be used to reduce the average speed of the highways?
04-09-2009 09:51 AM #175
That's a great way to look at life. I'm all for individuality. But there is such a thing as practicality. If you and a bunch of people are walking down a street and an out of control car comes careening towards you, you might want to be a lemming and go with the flow. Just a suggestion, of course.
I haven't seen anyone with an engineering degree make that post.
04-09-2009 10:22 AM #176
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My husband is an engineer, and never once has stated that. Just sayin'.
All the guys I work with, I'll go ask them...yeah, they aren't in agreement either.
Going 80 is against the law, plain and simple. Haven't you read where if everyone is going 80, that doesn't make it right? That the cop can AND WILL pick one of you out, willy nilly, and ticket?
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04-09-2009 10:43 AM #177
What does your husband and father and friends, etc. say about cars going 20 mph slower than the flow of traffic?
04-09-2009 10:52 AM #178
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How much do you even know about traffic engineering? Perhaps you'd know that they can wildly disagree instead of dogmatically believing driving 65 MPH when everyone is going 80 is safe? Why do you think we have an Autobahn that has no speed limits, and an Interstate with artificially low speed limits -- and no significant difference in accidents between the two? And you can't explain it, then it means that people are just selfish and trying to make up excuses by breaking the law, correct?
Here's a GREAT read about wildly different views traffic engineers can have: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/traffic.html
I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but at least maybe you'll finally acknowledge that those traffic engineers don't agree or have the same ideas. Very interesting stuff to be found there. Would you like Monderman to design your roads?
I hate the phrase "think outside the box" but I'm going to have to say it -- it's time to take recognition of the fact that the "traffic engineers" who set the speed limit at 65 aren't always correct, and the fact that people who drive 80 on the road quite safely without repercussions suggest to me that the problem lies with the law, not the people driving too fast. You don't build a long, flat, wide, expansive ribbon of concrete and then tell people they can only drive 55 on it, even though it was designed for much faster speeds.
Towards the end of the article, it states"The architecture of the road - not signs and signals - dictates traffic flow."I like maxims that don't encourage behavior modification."
04-09-2009 11:03 AM #179
And the funny thing is that the same government that say distracted driving is dangerous are the BIGGEST distractors!
04-09-2009 11:06 AM #180I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but at least maybe you'll finally acknowledge that those traffic engineers don't agree or have the same ideas. Very interesting stuff to be found there. Would you like Monderman to design your roads?
However, we've hired the ones we've hired for a reason. And if you have a problem in a given area, go about trying to get a change in the hiring process or philosophical traffic flow ideals.
Just because someone disagrees a PROFESSIONAL opinion, doesn't give anyone the right to break the law.
hate the phrase "think outside the box" but I'm going to have to say it -- it's time to take recognition of the fact that the "traffic engineers" who set the speed limit at 65 aren't always correct, and the fact that people who drive 80 on the road quite safely without repercussions suggest to me that the problem lies with the law, not the people driving too fast.
Besides which, isn't it entirely possible that the Autobahn (created specifically with higher speeds in mind) isn't exactly an apt comparison to freeways that curve, have on and off ramps ever 1/4 mile and may not be in the same condition as the German Highway From Heaven?
And you know this how? I wasn't aware a disclosure of prior education was a requirement of MI membership
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