Tea Parties

[Lacrosse Boy]

What hyperbole is the insinuation that this tax situation will lead to some sort of physical revolution.

The insinuation is in your head. No one is saying it WILL. People are saying it COULD -- if things get bad enough.

This is logical thinking at it's finest. The following propositional logic could come out of it: If things get bad enough (B), then we COULD see a secession (S).

If things get bad enough, secession is a possibility. That's completely logical. No one's saying that will happen. It could happen.

I took a course in Propositional Logic -- the most difficult college course I've taken! -- and the statements by both myself and the Texas Governor are logically sound, with no flaws. You may dispute if it could happen - but almost anything could happen!

May I suggest sorting through the present situation to ensure that drastic measures won't happen to prevent the could happen.

[Tiggerlives]

Yes, clearly when you said people had enough of "the modern moneychangers and corrupt politicians who are destroying our country!" you meant enough to politely raise their hand in a silent day of protest. Yep.

And you want to know how to come across as less divisive and more open-minded?

Don't insult those who may disagree with you in your opening post.

You know the elites are threatened when they start attacking the tea parties as "racist gatherings" or calling the protesters "tea baggers". This is just another example of how the elites and Obamoids are frightfully misguided, immature, and irresponsible. We deserve New Horizons and better leadership than this bloodless bureaucratic crew can promise.

Look what you did....you attacked those calling the protesters 'tea baggers' by calling them immature and misguided....and then called them 'Obamoids' and 'bloodless' which is immature and misguided. You want to get into an intelligent debate, drop the hyperbole and insults you sling at the other side right from the starting gate.

If you wanted to state an opinion that calling such gathers 'tea baggers' was immature, I could wholly support that. It was, and is, irresponsible journalism. So, why sink to that level?

[cinder]

Hahaha, tea baggers!!!

[Lacrosse Boy]

If you wanted to state an opinion that calling such gatherings 'tea baggers' was immature, I could wholly support that. It was, and is, irresponsible journalism. So, why sink to that level?

The amount of time you spend trying to find minor faults in my arguments could be used for logically debating them. I'm tired of continually having to resort to low-context communication, or repeat myself over-and-over again because people didn't take the time to actually think about what was written instead of posting knee-jerk reactions. Here's a review of high- vs low-context communication: http://www.pierce.ctc.edu/tlink/general/context.html . I use a lot of high-context communication. I don't like being bogged down in semantics, I like philosophy, I like people being able to distinguish for themselves what is fact and what is opinion (it should be obvious), and people seeking to understand things.

I don't like low-context communication. I find it boring, non-stimulating, and it's not my intellectual cup of tea (gor the low-contexters out there, that was a pun).

Thus far, all you've done is attack my posts and try to pick them apart, while deftly avoiding posting your own opinions on this thread.

Please, let us know what you think about the tea parties, the causes of them, and the general direction of our nation. I've stated mine, using high-context, intellectual communication and logic.

[Tiggerlives]

Thus far, all you've done is attack my posts and try to pick them apart, while deftly avoiding posting your own opinions on this thread.

Really? Cause I posted the below.

I think the issue is equating today's problems with the tyranny of the British and the enslavement of an entire race of people. It's forced hyperbole, at best, to do so.

Pretty much sums up my position. Maybe I'll have to dumb it down for you, though?

We have problems. Such problems aren't as bad as the big bad problems in the world of yesteryear and have in no way/shape/form reached any sort of revolutionary apex. Thus, I think that anyone who equates/relates/hyperbolizes/sensationalizes said problems to the Revolutionary War or fight for freedom that African Americans had to undertake is an alarmist, at best, and at worst, an idiosyncratic nutcase and YES, tea bagging- or comparing our current situation to the tyranny of the British- is just that.

Oh, but you didn't debate my point. You argued semantics in stating you related situations, not equated them (forgetting for a moment that one is a synonym of the other) and then later accused me of picking apart your posts.

Love it.

[Lacrosse Boy]

We have problems. Such problems aren't as bad as the big bad problems in the world of yesteryear and have in no way/shape/form reached any sort of revolutionary apex. Thus, I think that anyone who equates/relates/hyperbolizes/sensationalizes said problems to the Revolutionary War or fight for freedom that African Americans had to undertake is an alarmist, at best, and at worst, an idiosyncratic nutcase.

No one did that

Oh, but you didn't debate my point. You argued semantics in stating you related situations, not equated them (forgetting for a moment that one is a synonym of the other) and then later accused me of picking apart your posts.

That wasn't an opinion, it was further attempting to mischaracterize and misrepresent the very-clear commonalities found between the two situations with a strawman.

Once again, no one was equating/relating/hyperbolizing/sensationalizing our current situation to the Revolutionary War. That's intellectually dishonest of you to misrepresent my argument, especially when I then had to give a BIG HINT on how I was relating the situations PRECEDING the Revolutionary War to the situations we are seeing today.

Do you disagree that there are connections to be made between the "Acts" of then and the "Acts" of now? Let's get to the issues here, instead of the semantics.

Love it.

I'd love it if you could understand high-context communication. It's a rather intellectual process, though. I don't see any reason for me to throw water in the soup.

Here's a primer:

A person puts more cues into each thing they say, so that the listener can unwrap all of them and get the right meaning. A speaker provides a lot of context, connecting their point to other people's ideas and to larger issues.

[Tiggerlives]

I'm tired of continually having to resort to low-context communication, or repeat myself over-and-over again because people didn't take the time to actually think about what was written instead of posting knee-jerk reactions.

It must be so difficult being you. Alone on that mountain of intellect you've stockpiled to the point that others are simply below your ability to communicate. So much so that you're bored with most everyday conversations and people.

Me, I love people. I love treating everyone as an equal- the bum on the street who may use 'low context' means of conversation has nothing less to say than the quixotic intellectual who waxes politically for the sake of hearing his/her own voice.

You may want to look into the definition of 'elite' the next time you use it as an insult, as you so commonly do.

[Tiggerlives]

Once again, no one was equating/relating/hyperbolizing/sensationalizing our current situation to the Revolutionary War.

Really? So you think they chose the symbolic act of tea bagging on accident? They were meant to draw a parallel. A Parallel to an event that was just TWO years away from the Revolutionary War. Thus using high-context communication, one would logically conclude that such a precise demonstration indicates those who tea bagged believe we are similarly close to another act of revolution on the scale of said Revolutionary War.

Which means one of a few things:

The teabaggers:
A) understood what they were doing and really believe we're that close to another revolution
B) didn't realize the full power of the symbolism they used to demonstrate and thus weren't really all that smart to begin with or
C) understood the power of the metaphor, and used it in a SENSATIONALIST manner as an ALARMIST would.

[cinder]

If people can't follow our guidelines and treat others with respect, infractions will be issued and yet another thread will be locked down.

[club33az]

Oh my God!! Would you two stop playing "gotcha" and stop this pissing contest???

The fact of the matter is that taxes are outrageous and they're going to get worse under Obama. He has said so. Spending is beyond out of control, but that's Congress responsibility.

Next subject!